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thank you so much for joining us. ac 360 begins right now. good evening, john berman coming to you from high atop cnn studio 51 whereas you can see behind me last minute preparations are under way for tonight's libertarian town hall. the audience, voters, many undecided just now getting seated, they have come with questions for presidential nominee gary johnson and running mate william wells and they will be asking them starting at the top of next hour. first, the other two candidates. donald trump on teleprompt
errand on message, calling hillary clinton in his words a world class liar, and perhaps he says the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency. she took shots at him as well today. is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black and if so, which pot and what kettle? a lot of fact checking to do, a lot to talk about. first, cnn chief political correspondent dana bash sets the stage. >> reporter: an unconventional candidate making the most conventional political moves, trying to replace talk of his own campaign turmoil and anemic fund raising with a scathing speech about his opponent. >> hillary clinton's message is old and tired. her message is that things can't change. my message is that things have to change. >> reporter: seven weeks after effectively becoming the republican nominee, donald trump drew the contours of his pitch to voters, laying out his most
cogent arguments to date. >> the choice in this election is a choice between taking our government back from the special interests or surrendering really the last scrap of independence to the total and complete control. >> reporter: new tag line and all. >> her campaign slogan is i'm with her. you know what my response is to that? i'm with you, the american people. >> reporter: and he replaced his preferred term, crooked hillary, with this. >> hillary clinton, and as you know, most people know, she's a world class liar. >> reporter: still, trump took some of his own liberties as he painted clinton as a liar, explicitly blaming her for the death of ambassador chris stevens killed on her watch as secretary of state and falsely accusing her of allowing china to steal u.s. intellectual property. >> we'll never be able to fix a rigged system by counting on the
same people who rigged it in the first place. >> reporter: trump finally took the advice of many advisers and frustrated republicans around the country who have been pleading with him to focus on clinton and issues where she's vulnerable with voters in key battleground states like trade. >> she has betrayed the american worker on trade at every single stage of her career and it will be even worse than the clintons' nafta deal. >> reporter: and his talk of muslims was quite different this time around with no mention of his controversial proposed temporary ban on muslim immigrants. >> peaceful muslims across the world who have been terribly victimized by horrible brutality and who only want to raise their kids in peace and safety. >> reporter: most of trump's uncharacteristically prepared remarks are aimed at clinton, going after her biggest weakness with voters, honest tee and
trustworthiness. >> hillary clinton may be the most corrupt person to seek the presidency. >> every week we see how careless achb reckless trump is. >> reporter: talking about his temperament. >> just imagine if you can donald trump sitting in the oval office the next time america faces a crisis. imagine him being in charge when your jobs and savings are at stake. is this who you want to lead us in an emergency? >> dana bash joins us now. dana, she says he is corrupt, she says he is temperamentally unstable. will either of these arguments play with voters? >> reporter: that's the question the next several months until election day, whether or not these argument have any sway with the maybe 10 or 20% of those in the middle, persuadable
voters. clinton campaign, they're banking on the fact that people look at donald trump who are not yet decided between the two of them and say you know what, i just can't imagine him having his finger on the nuclear codes. he is banking on the fact that the anti-washington, anti-anything institution if you will sentiment that drove him in the primaries is still very much there, which is why he is saying she is a big part of the problem, you've got to get me in there. we'll see if it has an effect on that small percentage in the middle, but you know what, john, if this is any indication of what we're going to see, maybe those people who are not yet decided are going to turn it all off because the negativity is probably going to drown everything out. >> uplifting campaign on both sides, not really. >> reporter: not so much. >> a little fact checking, given the sheer number of claims and
allegations today, a lot of fact checking. tom foreman has a reality check for what we saw. >> donald trump wanted to hit hillary clinton hard over the benghazi attacks in which ambassador chris stevens and three other americans died. listen. >> ambassador stevens and his staff in libya made hundreds and hundreds of requests for security. they were desperate. they needed help. hillary clinton's state department refused them all. >> independent state department investigation into this did say there were requests for help and they were inadequately addressed but they also said no one engaged in misconduct or willfully ignored responsibilities. by suggesting that nothing was done and that hillary clinton actively denied help to the people in benghazi, donald trump really went too far here and what he had to say was basically
false, john. >> donald trump campaigning hard on the economy, all fall, winter, spring. he had attacks for hillary clinton on that front as well. >> as dana mentioned, he hit her on trade deals, specifically nafta, which was approved under her husband in 1994 and deal to let china into world trade organization in 2001. listen. >> we've lost nearly one-third of our manufacturing jobs since these two hillary backed agreements were signed. >> first, did she back these deals? yes, she did. she was in favor of them. that's been a delicate area for her. but we talked to a lot of economists that said it is difficult to establish a clear cause and effect between that and the loss of manufacturing jobs, although many people believe that's the effect. it is difficult because a lot of time has passed, we have been through a recession, there have been technological advances in addition in that time, and trump overexaggerates the number a bit. on the face of it, his basic
statement is mostly true, john. >> bernie sanders hit her on trade, now donald trump doing the same. he has been talking about hillary clinton and the second amendment for weeks now. >> this is a signature issue. he went on the issue of the right to bear arms and the kind of judges she might put on federal courts. >> hillary clinton's radical judges will virtually abolish the second amendment. >> that's a big claim. what clinton does want to do is she wants gun dealers held more accountable, she would like to see more background checks of a deeper nature and she would like to get some types of weapons limited out there. but there's just no evidence she wants to virtually abolish the second amendment. that's false. we have a whole lot more on all these things, john, including fact checks on hillary clinton's speech today. you can see it all at cnn.com/realitycheck. >> thanks. we have a segment coming up on the clinton foundation, stay tuned for that.
want to bring in the panel, gloria borger, new york trump delegate john la val, christine quinn, and dana lash, nra adviser, spokesperson, conservative talk show host and author of "fly over nation, you can't run a country you've never been to." gloria borger, been hearing from republicans all afternoon, largely happy with donald trump's speech. >> much happier. >> paul ryan spoke to wolf blitzer, said he didn't watch the speech, interesting in itself, but he was hearing great things from republicans about the speech. what did they like about it? >> what donald trump did today is something he hasn't done before, he touched all of the sweet spots for the republican party. he wasn't talking about mass deportation, he wasn't talking about a muslim ban, which you know paul ryan has been against. he was talking about judges, which they can all agree on. he was talking about a broader appeal, creating jobs, general issues of immigration, not specifics, not the wall, didn't
hear about the wall today actually, you'll notice. but larger issues. he also not only questioned hillary's trust, which republicans agreed with him on but he said she was inept essentially as secretary of state, which republicans also agree with, and then he made one other point which is i'm change and she's not. and that has a lot of resonance out there with not only republicans but independent voters. >> more of the same, classic campaign when one party is finishing two terms in the white house. dana lash, you are no trump supporter, that's an understatement, you are also no hillary clinton supporter. does this speech resonate with you? >> it seemed more put together, seemed better thought out. i like trump with the teleprompter. i do. i like trump with the teleprompter. they aren't necessarily bad things. he has proven he can speak off the cuff, from the heart. we have the passion. now we want to hear some of that
substance and having it planned out, knowing where you're going to go, having -- it is a calmer trump. everybody can agree with that on the teleprompter, he gets his ideas and sound bites in. and that's what counts. >> this is a reigned in donald trump. john, you were in the audience, saw you sitting in the audience. the question dana is asking, can donald trump do this again. is this the new donald trump? >> no, it is donald trump. yes, he can do it again. >> not the donald trump we saw the last couple months. >> he hasn't used the teleprompter and the teleprompter allows you to deliver your agenda and plans in an organized manner that your supporters are looking at. >> no attack on sus and a martinez, it is a direct message. do you feel he will stay on message. >> he will stay on message. this is a very thoughtful
speech, well thought out, well delivered. this is donald trump. very presidential, i have to tell you. i was very impressed. always impressed. yes, he can speak with passion from the heart. this is a speech he needed to give. a lot of people on the fence have their eyes wide open tonight. he was on the mark all around, even his attacks were done in a proper manner. he was great today, i was very happy to see it, very proud. >> christine, jumping out of your seat. >> first of all. >> shocking. >> i know. the third or fourth time on the show we talked about is this the new donald trump. >> true story. >> can he control it. >> basically we are touting the fact that the man can read off the teleprompter. that in my opinion is a credential relevant to getting into third grade, not getting into the white house. thoughtful speech, mostly we heard attacks against secretary clinton, many of which are
simply not true. >> to be fair, hillary clinton said today trump is going after me personally because he has no answers on the substance. hillary clinton has been going after donald trump personally. she gave two highly touted speeches which were just trump take downs. >> but let's also be clear, hillary didn't jump immediately to attacking donald trump and in fact was criticized widely by folks in the media and others that she should have been going after him earlier. >> once she locked up the nomination, they were two of the first three big speeches. >> they said early on in the primaries, he was attacking her before he was the presumptive nominee, so i think it is a clear case of hillary being hit and her having to hit back. i also want to mention the fact, it is curious to me, donald trump gave that speech in new york in his hotel, not in a competitive state. are we going to see he paid his hotel himself for giving that speech. you know what's a bigger scam, how much he is paying himself.
he is the highest paid person on the trump campaign, period. >> all right. >> it is regulations. he has to charge himself. you can't have in kind contributions. if you use your facility, a separate corporation, by the way, you must take that. >> all right. we're talking about the sec report, saying a lot of money trump spent went to companies owned by him and his kids. we're going to leave it there. take a quick break. continue the conversation. the allegations, not just donald trump, surrounding the clinton foundation. hillary clinton says it has a long record of helping a lot of people around the world. donald trump says otherwise, says she ran it like a hedge fund. are those the facts? 360 investigates. the libertarian town hall, registered democrats, republicans, independents and more, all of the questions for
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because i don't want hillary to win, but i think i need to tell people what i will do as a senator, that was the case irrespective of whether i ran. >> we will get to donald trump in a moment, but focus on marco rubio. he announced he is doing something he said for a long time multiple times said he wouldn't do. and that is run. >> never say never. look, he was under a lot of pressure from colleagues in the senate, didn't want to spend a lot of money in the state of florida, they are worried down ballot with donald trump as the nominee and i think he decided it was better to have a voice from the united states senate, particularly since we know who is going to run for the presidency in 2020. marco rubio, there you go. never say never. >> it was a strange announcement, john. he put out a press release where he went after donald trump, essentially announced he is
running against donald trump. said the prospect of a trump presidency is also worry some to me. it is no secret i have significant disagreements with donald trump, his positions on key issues are still unknown, and many positions on women and minorities i find not just offensive but unacceptable. if he is elected, we need senators to encourage him to go the right direction and if necessary stand up to him. i've proven a willingness to do both. that statement sets up a juxtaposition. is this the thing trump campaign -- >> not really, they were competitors. it was a lively competition during the republican primary. marco rubio is a great senator. grad he made that decision to run again. i think he made it not based on pressure, i think it is a job he enjoys. obviously a lot of people are encouraging him to run. but he's done a great job as a senator in florida. i am okay with that. it happens in both parties. takes awhile for everyone to come together.
certain circumstances may have been exacerbated it. i think they'll be working together. he will vote for donald trump. >> that's unusual. it is. >> he is talking about particular topics. like you saw today, you'll see a more focused donald trump, you'll see focused on the issues that republicans want to hear about. i'm excited. >> marco rubio has been sort of the republican savior since he leapt to the national stage in 2010, didn't work out like republicans thought it would work out this time. so where is he? what's his positioning in the greater conservative movement? >> he is insuring himself for a 2020 run. that's exactly what he is doing. he wants to maintain consistency in criticism of the republican nominee, while at the same time making it look as though he's still playing on the team. he is preserving a 2020 run. it would be silly not to. he is young. he has a lot of popularity and
has a long career ahead of him. he has to be careful and so do republicans, they have to be careful how they play it because they could risk angering the base. >> christine? >> that statement from rubio is the opposite of republican unity, that's unheard of. >> bernie sanders hasn't endorsed hillary clinton. it has been 15 days. hillary clinton endorsed barack obama after 8 days. >> i have no doubt senator sanders will get there. takes some folks longer to get there than others. let's be clear, senator sanders hasn't issued a statement saying i am running for united states senate to be a watchdog over hillary clinton and not let her ruin the party, which is another way to describe in my way what marco rubio is doing. >> he said he could be a watchdog over hillary clinton, too. >> doesn't make sense, he is a republican. >> all right, guys, stand by.
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a blistering day on the campaign trail. >> she ran the state department like her own personal hedge fund, doing favors for oppressive regimes and others, really many, many others in exchange for cash. >> isn't the first time trump accused secretary clinton from profiting personally from her position at the state department. 360 investigates. here is drew griffin. >> reporter: there's no question the clinton foundation received tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments, that
includes saudi arabia which gave $14.5 million. the foundation says none of that came while hillary clinton was secretary of state. you also have kuwait, donating between 5 and 10 million. oh man, united arab emirates, qatar, donating between 1 and $5 million over the years. the embassy of algeria donated $500,000. is there a common thread? all are middle eastern countries with poor human rights records and poor records when it comes to women's rights. even with private companies there's smoke. monsanto is a global food giant, trying to increase its worldwide business in the biotech food industry. it's donated between 1 and 5 million to the clinton foundation. while she was secretary of state, secretary clinton made general statements supporting biotech foods, as the company was asking for government help to open new markets. for her critics, it is enough to
cry foul. >> maybe her motivation lies among the more than 1,000 foreign donations hillary failed to disclose while at the state department. >> reporter: there's no evidence that is accurate. what we have learned is that the foundation said it did fail to disclose a funding source while mrs. clinton was at the state department. that donation, the $500,000 from the government of algeria. the foundation called lack of disclosure an error, again said there was no connection between the donations and policies of the clinton state department. earlier hillary clinton told jake tapper the foundation is an open book. >> we have disclosed everything, you can see what we do. we put out reports. we could find of millions of people who feel their lives have been improved because of the work. >> reporter: to avoid potential conflicts, the clinton foundation signed an agreement with the obama administration before hillary clinton was sworn
in as secretary of state. that agreement banned bill clinton from personally soliciting donations and banned donations from any government that hadn't been approved by an ethics committee at state. drew griffin, cnn, atlanta. >> lots to talk about. back with the panel. joining the conversation, david roth, founder of hillary clinton super pac and before that mediamatters.org. gloria, the clinton foundation, heard about it for a lot of years. clintons have to do a lot of explaining about it. and when you're explaining? >> it is difficult, and hillary clinton has a trust deficit with voters. this is an issue as we all know that came up during the primaries. i think jeb bush may have been the first person to raise the clinton foundation as an issue. there are questions of conflict that clearly donald trump is going to continue to raise. hillary clinton has her answers for it. if it is an open book, everyone
will look at the books as we've begun to do, there's no doubt in my mind it will remain an issue because republicans will raise it as an issue about her. >> david, she admitted that at least one donation slipped through the cracks, and maybe more. how big are the cracks? >> there's the one that's been acknowledged. when you take in this many grants in a foundation this size where they raised over 2 billion, that's going to happen. the reality is without proof, what we are talking about is mostly innuendo if not slander. >> proof of what, quid pro quo? >> proof a donation, an official act. hillary clinton has been in public life 30 years, nobody has shown a donor influenced one public act. >> is that the right measure, though, should she be taking money from saudi arabia and other countries who have questionable human rights? >> i think she should. it is a global foundation and i think it is perfectly fine, these regimes that are far from perfect, to take from the rich,
give to the poor. they have transformed and saved 430 million lives, including so many, prescription drugs for aids, reduced the price by a factor of ten, all of the good works done here seem to be lost in the questions raised. raising questions are fine. end of the day -- >> john, donald trump has such long-standing concerns with the clinton foundation that he donated quite a bit of money to it. >> here's what it is. there's not only appearance of impropriety, there's impropriety. the clintons made $160 million on the side from foreign countries. they also donated to the foundation. give the money back. it is appearance of impropriety. >> talking about paid speeches. >> eric son, a national telecommunications company, under investigation by the state department. all of a sudden bill clinton makes a speech.
$750,000. what could he possibly say for $750,000. i want to know. i'm going to start saying things like that. >> you're problem is the paid speeches. >> when the paid speeches are being -- the pay is coming from companies that are looking for favoritism from the united states government, that's a problem. there's an appearance at the least. we have to protect the integrity of our government. even with appearance, you have to pull back, give the money back. all these countries, the foundations accepting from saudi arabia and middle eastern countries that are anti-women, anti-gay, they're anti-american. and they're taking money from them. give the money back. >> dana? i am surprised no one advised the trump campaign to say this yet, best way to get out of this pickle, having donated to the clinton foundation, i agree there are some very questionable
things here, particularly green lighting of arms deals to these countries but that's another topic, all he has to say is i was wrong to have done this and to pay penance, i am running to correct this error. why isn't he doing that. i wish he would do it. >> stand by, more to talk about. democrats holding a sit in on the house floor to push for gun control, plus at the top of the hour the cnn libertarian town hall. we believe that you should keep what you buy. that's why your unused talk, text and data never expires with active service. some major carriers say you can keep your data. but when you read the fine print, your data does expire. but tracfone has unlimited carryover, so you get to keep your unused talk, text and data. 90-day plans with unlimited carryover start as low as $20. unbeatable nationwide coverage. no contract. tracfone. do everything for less.
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no bill, no break, that's what democratic lawmakers chanted from the house floor as they stage a sit in to push for gun control. leading that protest, congressman john lewis, civil rights icon that organized sit ins at lunch counters. he said he and fellow lawmakers won't leave the house floor any time soon. some republicans call it a political stunt. the backdrop for all of this is a recent massacre in orlando. the senate's rejection of four gun control measures proposed in the wake of that tragedy.
manu raju joins me with the latest. the sit in has been going on for eight hours now. congress is due back in session later tonight, not on guns. what are you learning? >> well, republicans are going to try to seize control of the house floor in about an hour, a confrontational move. do three things, try to have a vote to override a presidential veto, file a bill, introduce a bill to deal with zika funding to combat zika virus and vote to adjourn the house. what they're not doing is having a vote on guns. republicans met a couple of hours ago, emerged from the meeting united against the democratic tactics. don't believe democrats are doing the right thing, think they're hijacking the house floor, publicity stunt, counter to house rules, don't want to give in. they vote to adjourn, it will be interesting. i am told by tom cole of oklahoma, the lights could go
off, air conditioning could go off. what do democrats do then. they signal they'll do what it takes. >> live pictures of the house floor now are provided by periscope, cspan is not broadcasting, democrats say they're going to keep it going indefinitely. paul ryan says they're not getting a vote. going to do this forever? >> that's the question, how long can they last. democrats say they're waiting for a vote on a bill, they're unclear about what that is. even if they get a vote, it is not going to become law. the two parties are fundamentally divided on gun control. >> manu raju, thanks so much. dana lash, let me ask you about this. you work for the nra. >> i have a chapter in my book about it, too. the last book was about guns. only a chapter in this one. >> the house won't pass these
measures that the democrats are calling for. why not hold a vote? >> i think democrats kind of lost their chance when they couldn't gather enough on the floor of the senate for cloture, i was dissatisfied at the cornyn amendment, thought it was too much compromise. it was the compromise democrats said they wanted. cornyn met them. all they had to do, the only requirement was that you have to prove your case to a federal judge, within three days of purchase they can act on that. that was the only requirement, protecting due process. i don't want to go so far as some of the elected officials that said that republicans are just giving guns to isis, i don't want to match their hi perp lee saying they're against due process, but they missed an opportunity with the cornyn amendment. >> you can still vote and vote it down. >> what are they going to vote on, they haven't been specific on anything. give us specificity. >> david, put that question to you.
the cornyn amendment dana was talking about there, why do democrats think that's not better than nothing? they voted against it, won't get on board with that. if they all got aboard, maybe they could pass it. >> you can have debate about that. democrats thought it didn't go far enough. what we are seeing with democrats, this used to be an issue that was considered to be a losing issue for democrats and that changed now. they're going to campaign on it. part of hillary's platform to deal with isis. it is seen as a national security issue, whether they make progress here or not, looks like probably not, but the symbolism is powerful. >> on both sides of the issue there are people that feel passionately, genuinely. doesn't mean there aren't politics involved, gloria. if david is right, do democrats feel that guns are now a winning issue for them? >> they do. >> the rule has been for years
they lost elections because of it. >> you go back to the 2000 election, al gore might tell you guns was a decisive issue in his loss of that election, some people believe he didn't lose it, but yes. i think the politics has changed. you look at polling in this country, you see majority of the american public wants some form of gun control. you look at the polls on assault weapons, et cetera, et cetera. it is a risk. it is a risk. but there are less southern state democrats than their used to be. it is not as much risk as it once was. >> john, you're a new york republican, an interesting breed, 30 seconds left. do you think there's room for compromise here? >> this is all part of the democrat strategy to spin this terrorism. they want to call it gun control. that's what they're doing. that's what this is all about. measures fail, they're not even together on it. you say the republican party isn't unified. what failed in the senate.
is it senator tester, how did he vote, he is not even with his own party. this is democrat party spin to stop people talking about terrorism. it is failed democrat policies of foreign affairs and national security that brought this to be. >> and to make this point, too, too many americans are erroneously mistakenly put on the list, to strip them with rights with zero oversight, aclu agrees. >> trump is to the left of the nra. >> he is not to the left of the nra, on that issue, and i have been critical of him before, this is my singler issue shall he is saying we need due process. you can't take due process away and have suspicion take the place of conviction. there is that responsibility. >> leave it there. as we looked at, live pictures from the house floor. up next, the libertarian ticket. what you need to know about gary johnson, the party's presidential nominee, and his
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weld will answer questions from voters. both are former republican governors, now libertarians, active in all 50 states with more than a quarter million registered voters. before the town hall, give you in sight on the libertarian ticket. here is jake tapper with what you need to know. >> reporter: this is america's libertarian moment. gary johnsonization you might be a libertarian even if you don't know it yet. >> help me reach out to the majority of libertarian and don't know it. >> reporter: at least the libertarian presidential candidate hopes you'll vote that way. in their campaign, former governors johnson from new mexico and bill weld from massachusetts are casting themselves as outsiders. and johnson's style is a bit more like the stoner professor you had in college than a traditional candidate. >> i think you're too freaky to be a president. >> i think he is a fringe
candidate, you want to know the truth. >> reporter: there may be an opening, the two major party candidates are the least liked in modern history. libertarians earning support from 9% of registered voters in a recent poll. more than any third party candidate in recent open elections. >> no excuses, libertarians. >> reporter: the libertarian party was established in 1971, despite a relatively high profile presidential run by congressman ron paul in 1988, libertarians struggle to be seen as anything but fringe. >> why should anybody vote for you, sir, how will it not be throwing away their vote? >> well, throwing away your vote is voting for somebody you don't believe in. i think that libertarians, i think my package, bill weld's package is unique. >> johnson is unique, a tri athlete that climbed mount kilimanjaro and owner of a recreational marijuana company.
>> i always maintained that legalizing marijuana will lead to less overall substance abuse. >> reporter: libertarians lean left on lgbt rights and abortion. >> i would like to nudge democrats to the economic center. >> reporter: promising to crackdown on national debt, cut corporate income tax. those that dislike clinton and trump are giving them a closer look. >> if bill weld were top of the ticket, it would be easy to vote for bill weld. so i'll get to know gary johnson better. >> reporter: the libertarians need 15% in national polls to make it to the presidential debate stage this fall. perhaps johnson's steepest climb yet. jake tapper, cnn, washington. >> governors johnson and weld are taking part of the cnn libertarian town hall in minutes. back with us founder of free the delegates, and rules committee
member and steve lonegan, national spokesperson for the conservative pack and new jersey state director of ted cruz's presidential campaign. kendall, you're working hard to overthrow donald trump at the convention to get another republican to vote for. you're going to have two republicans on the stage behind us, two guys that served two terms as republican governors. why not sign up for gary johnson? >> because i read the libertarian platform. one of the reasons i am fighting to make sure donald trump is not our nominee is because he doesn't adhere to parts of the platform that are my passion. i am a person of faith, born again christian, i believe in in sanctity of life. i believe in life, liberty, happiness. why go to a platform that doesn't support that, believes in legalizing drugs and prostitution. >> anything gary johnson can say
on the stage that would get you to vote for him? >> it will be hard. the reason gary johnson and libertarians are doing well is because of donald trump because donald trump is alienating a lot of republicans like myself. very many libertarian tendencies. i personally don't understand why libertarian party is running two candidates who support gun control, that's not exactly libertarian position, there's a contradiction. this is reflection on the trump campaign. they wouldn't be doing as well as they were if not for trump's failure for the republican party. >> is this -- >> if you look at recent polling, it shows a lot of it takes away from hillary clinton as well because as you folks are saying, there's some leftwing, liberal positions you're going to hear from that stage tonight that may appeal somewhat to the bernie sanders supporters who are looking for somewhere else to go and not necessarily to trump supporters. >> it is different this time
around. ron paul was a libertarian nominee, you have two names that are more known. i may be biased, i am from massachusetts and grew up with william weld, but they were in the spotlight a long time. >> unfortunately we are a binary system. part of what we are going to struggle with if we can't support donald trump as nominee, where do we go. there's 28 different parties, and no place right now that the social conservatives that are going to be leaving the party because donald trump cannot be the face of our party believing the way we do, we simply don't have a party we can defect to. that's one of the questions all of us struggle with, what will we do. >> may be binary don't tell al gore. >> ross perot. >> he needs every vote he can get. how does he make clear gary
johnson is not the choice. >> i think gloria is right, they're taking from both candidates, pro-legalization stance will take from the democratic vote. i think they're going to take from both. donald trump by virtue of what he does going forward, saw some of it today, he is going to bring a lot of people home to the republican party. he will unify the republican party to the extent it needs to be to win the race. third party candidacy will take from both candidates. saw how it effected the polls. showed exactly that. >> steve, 30 seconds left. >> donald trump got about 25% of republicans to vote for him, 50% don't want him to be the candidate. he is losing in every one of the swing states. marco rubio can't win florida with donald trump at the top of the ticket. come convention, up to republican delegates to pick a different candidate, one to take votes away from gary and
mr. wells. >> does it hurt. >> i agree he takes from both sides. bigger chunk from republicans. >> thanks very much. appreciate it. up next, the very thing we have been talking about and building up to. cnn libertarian town hall. chris cuomo, moderator. gary johnson, two term governor of new mexico, ran ultra marathons, and mountains, he is at the top of the ticket. william weld, two term governor from the state of massachusetts, running mate. what will they say to voters from both sides. come back after the break. with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and i'm a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve.
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[ applause ] good evening, welcome to the cnn libertarian town hall. this is your chance to get to know the candidates behind a party and movement that's not only alive this election season but growing. in the year of the outsider, he is looking for the inside track. >> how about a skeptic. >> in a time of big talk, he's premising straight talk. >> i tell the truth. i am not a liar. >> to the idea of more government, he promises